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Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes (104 Aufrufe)

Γραικύλος schrieb am 07.08.2026 um 13:10 Uhr (Zitieren)

Artaxerxes II. war persischer Großkönig von 404 bis 358 v.u.Z.

1. Plutarch: Das Leben des Artaxerxes

Once when he [sc. Artaxerxes] was on a journey and various people were presenting him with various things, a labouring man, who could find nothing else at the moment, ran to the river, and, taking some of the water in his hands, offered it to him; at which Artaxerxes was so pleased that he sent him a goblet of gold and a thousand darics.

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2. Aelian: Varia Historia

Here is another story from Persia. They say that a Persian called Sinaetes, at some distance from his country estate, met Artaxerxes, who was known as Mnemon. Caught unawares, he was disturbed, owing to fear arising from the local custom and his respect for the king. Not knowing what to do in the circumstances and dismayed at the thought of being outdone by the other Persians, or of appearing dishonourable by not presenting the king with a gift, he nevertheless went urgently, as fast as his feet could carry him, to the river that flowed nearby (called the Cyrus (1)), bent down, and drew up some water in both hands, saying “King Artaxerxes, may your reign be eternal. At this moment I honour you as best I can in the circumstances, in order that you shall not pass by unhonoured by me, so far as lies in my power. And I honour you with the water of the Cyrus. When you reach your destination, I will bring you from my home the very best and most expensive objects I have, and in that way I will honour you. So I shall not fall short by comparison with any of the others who have greeted you with their offerings.”

Artaxerxes was pleased with this and said, “My man [ἄνθρωπε], I am happy to accept your gift, I esteem it as one of the most valuable, and I declare it to be equal in value to those others: first of all because water is the best of all things (2), secondly because it bears the name of Cyrus. You should certainly appear before me when I stay at my residence.” With these words he instructed the eunuchs to accept the man’s gift. They raced over as quickly as possible and received the water from his hands in a golden cup.

When the king reached his staging post he sent his [Persian] subject a Persian robe, a golden cup, and a thousand darics. The man who brought the objects was instructed to say to the recipient “The king requests you to gladden your heart from this golden object, since you brought joy to his [him?] by not letting him pass without honour or reverence; instead you did him such honour as was possible, and he wishes you to draw water from the river in this cup.”

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(1) Kura, fließt ins Kaspische Meer
(2) Aelian zitiert hier ein bekanntes Sprichwort aus Pindar, Olympische Oden I 1: Ἄριστον μὲν ὕδωρ.

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

Quoth schrieb am 07.08.2026 um 23:53 Uhr (Zitieren)

Aelian wurde offenbar nach Zeilen bezahlt ... :-)

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

Patroklos schrieb am 08.08.2026 um 11:05 Uhr (Zitieren)

Aelians Textauszug dürfte den Titel tragen:
Aelian: Historical Miscellany.
Ü Nigel Guy Wilson, 1997. (Loeb)
Oder gibt es frühere Übersetzungen?

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

Γραικύλος schrieb am 08.08.2026 um 13:38 Uhr (Zitieren)

Ja, es handelt sich um die LCL-Ausgabe.

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

info schrieb am 08.08.2026 um 13:44 Uhr (Zitieren)

ὁδεύοντος δὲ αὐτοῦ ποτε, καὶ πάντων αὖ ἄλλοτε ἄλλο τι προσφερόντων, αὐτουργὸς ἄνθρωπος, ἐν τῷ παρατυχόντι μηδὲν εὑρών, ἐπὶ τὸν ποταμὸν ἔδραμε, καὶ τῶν ὑδάτων ταῖς χερσὶ συλλαβών, προσήνεγκεν· ᾧσπερ ἡσθεὶς ὁ Ἀρταξέρξης, φιάλην τε χρυσῆν ἔπεμψεν αὐτῷ καὶ δαρεικοὺς χιλίους.

λόγος τις καὶ ὅδε Περσικός. Σιναίτην τινὰ Πέρσην οὐ πόρρω τῶν ἑαυτοῦ χωρίων φασὶ συντυχεῖν Ἀρταξέρξῃ τῷ Μνήμονι κληθέντι. ἐκπλαγέντα δὲ αὐτὸν καὶ ταραχθέντα διὰ τὸ δέος τὸ ἐκ τοῦ νόμου τοῦ ἐπιχωρίου καὶ τὴν αἰδῶ τὴν πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα, ἀποροῦντα τί χρὴ δρᾶν, καὶ δεινὸν ποιούμενον εἰ περιόψεται αὑτὸν τῶν ἄλλων Περσῶν ἐλάττω, ἢ ἀτιμότερον φανήσεται μηδὲν δωρησάμενος τὸν βασιλέα, ὅμως κατὰ σπουδὴν ὡς εἶχε ποδῶν ἐπὶ τὸν παραρρέοντα ποταμόν (Κῦρος δὲ ὄνομα ἦν αὐτῷ) δραμεῖν, καὶ ἐγκύψαντα καὶ ἀρυσάμενον ἀμφοτέραις ταῖς χερσὶ τοῦ ὕδατος: "Βασιλεῦ" εἰπεῖν "Ἀρταξέρξη, αἰεὶ βασιλεύοις: νῦν σε τιμῶ ὡς ἐκ τῶν παρόντων ἐμαυτοῦ, ἵνα μὴ παρέλθῃς ἀτίμητος παρ' ἐμοῦ ὅσα γ' ἐπ' ἐμοί. τιμῶ δέ σε τῷ τοῦ Κύρου ὕδατι: ἐπειδὰν δὲ ἐπὶ τὸ κατάλυμα ἔλθῃς, ἐκ τῶν ἐμαυτοῦ τῶν παρ' ἐμοὶ τὰ κάλλιστά τε καὶ τιμιώτατα προσάξω, καὶ τιμήσω σε, καὶ οὐδενὸς τῶν ἄλλων τῶν δεξιωσαμένων σε τοῖς δώροις ἐλάττων φανήσομαι."

ἥσθη τούτοις ὁ Ἀρταξέρξης: "καὶ δέχομαι," εἶπεν, "ὦ ἄνθρωπε, ἡδέως τὸ δῶρον, καὶ τιμῶ γε αὐτὸ τῶν πάνυ τιμίων, καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἴσον εἶναί φημι: πρῶτον μὲν ὅτι τὸ ὕδωρ πάντων ἐστὶ κάλλιστον, εἶτα ὅτι ἐπώνυμόν ἐστι Κύρου. σὺ δὲ ἡμῖν ἀπαντᾷν ἀξίου, ὅταν ἐπὶ τὸ κατάλυμα ἔλθωμεν." ταῦτα εἰπὼν ἐκέλευσε τοῖς εὐνούχοις δέξασθαι τὸ δῶρον. οἱ δὲ κατὰ τάχος προσδραμόντες ἐδέξαντο εἰς χρυσῆν φιάλην τὸ ὕδωρ ἐκ τῶν χειρῶν αὐτοῦ.

ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐπὶ τὸ κατάλυμα ἦλθεν ὁ βασιλεύς, πέμπει τῷ Πέρσῃ στολήν τε Περσικὴν καὶ φιάλην χρυσῆν καὶ δαρεικοὺς χιλίους, καὶ τὸν κομίζοντα εἰπεῖν ἐκέλευσεν: "εὐφραίνειν σου τὴν ψυχὴν ὁ βασιλεὺς ἀξιοῖ ἐκ τοῦδε τοῦ χρυσίου, ὅτι τὴν ἐκείνου ἔφθης εὐφράνας, μὴ περιιδὼν ἀτίμητον μηδὲ ἀγέραστον παρελθόντα, ἀλλ' ὡς οἷός τε ἦσθα τιμήσας: καὶ βούλεταί σε ἐκ τοῦδε τοῦ ἐκπώματος τοῦ ποταμοῦ τὸ ὕδωρ ἀρύσασθαι."

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

Γραικύλος schrieb am 08.08.2026 um 14:02 Uhr (Zitieren)

Das ist nicht der Originaltext. Vermutlich wieder eine Rückübersetzung durch KI, ohne das zu kennzeichnen.

Quousque tandem abutere, info, patientia nostra?

Re: Ein Geschenk an Artaxerxes

στρουθίον οἰκιακόν schrieb am 08.08.2026 um 15:59 Uhr (Zitieren)

ὦ πόποι !!
Daß Du Dich nicht schämst, KI-Nutzer ohne soviel natürliche Intelligenz, zu überprüfen, was für einen Mist Dein Knecht ablädt!

Wer das KI-Elaborat gegen das Original lesen möchte:
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0591%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D32

Und der Plutarch-Text wurde gleich mit in die Wurstpresse gesteckt ...

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